Fixpoint

2021-06-01

#jwrd Logs for Jun 2021

Filed under: #jwrd logs, Logs — Jacob Welsh @ 00:38
Day changed to 2021-06-01
[00:38] dorion: jfw, fuck yeah. big win. congrats.
[00:38] jfw: o7
[14:16] dorion: http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2021/jwrd-logs-for-May-2021/#2289 -- man, if you're not going to toot your own horn, I suppose I'll do it for you : whaack, he published some songs via googtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClqht1e8IsFgDBiDjjhZyIA
[14:16] sourcerer: 2021-05-28 20:57:52 (#jwrd) anotheruser: composing is going well. I am making progress, step by step
[14:18] dorion: http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2021/jwrd-logs-for-May-2021/#2317 -- I suppose I front ran you because I like the songs you already have out..
[14:18] sourcerer: 2021-05-28 21:20:55 (#jwrd) anotheruser: However, I need to master before sharing it. I will share it with you in a week or two. I have noticed that it is better to wait a few weeks before sharing music because I always end of hearing some small thing in the song that I want to change.
[14:21] dorion: http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2021/jwrd-logs-for-May-2021/#2325 -- aye. and from perfect to imperfect consonance, direct motion can be placed on the table along with the contrary and oblique ;)
[14:21] sourcerer: 2021-05-29 16:56:39 (#jwrd) anotheruser: dorion: I see that you responded via the logs. In regards to your question about counterpoint, I can tell you that if one moves from a perfect consonance to another perfect consonance one must proceed in contrary or oblique motion. However, you already know this.
[14:23] dorion: http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2021/jwrd-logs-for-May-2021/#2326 -- hmm. seems pretty important to have the notated music viewing feature.. what are the other important factors/features for your daw decision ?
[14:23] sourcerer: 2021-05-29 16:59:56 (#jwrd) anotheruser: dorion: I am running across a new problem while using FL Studio, which is that it is very difficult to view notated music, indeed, it is not possible; it only displays midi notes, and thus has me considering changing to a different DAW called Cubase.
[14:26] dorion: http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2021/jwrd-logs-for-May-2021/#2327 -- the past couple weeks I've been organizing this : http://dorion-mode.com/2021/05/bitcoin-and-beverages-at-baxters-part-ii/ ; I have it all set up, but sales are a bit slow on it here in rural vt... more eyes glazing over responses than bills being broken out to pay so far.
[14:26] sourcerer: 2021-05-29 17:00:19 (#jwrd) anotheruser: dorion: What is new with you? What new problems are you solving up there?
[14:29] dorion: this past weekend was a big golf weekend, the member-member tournament here. I played above average and won some dough, but pretty golfed out. I'll probably play less than 5 more rounds prior to leaving at the end of the month, but aim to get a photo article out documenting the course, what I've learned from playing the game and my various exploits, working title is,
[14:30] dorion: "birdie chirps and an eagle soars at rutgusta"
[14:34] dorion: the eagle was added from this weekend because on 16, a 350 yard, uphill par 4, I put the ball in the cup with only 2 strokes of the clubs. a driver on the first shot and a 6 iron from 145 yards out on the second shot. normally I'd hit like an 8 iron on that uphill shot, but the temperature was low and the ball wasn't flying typical ranges, so club selection was a big challenge.
[14:35] dorion: this won a 'skin' which paid our team 325 bucks. anyways, enough of that here and now and the article will shed moar light.
[14:38] dorion: I also have hardware on the conveyor for whaack and a couple other clients, getting ready for a jfw visit and delivery to a client here, getting my ducks in a row for pty return, getting back to eulora and sharpening my meta-game there, etc.
[14:43] dorion: http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2021/jwrd-logs-for-May-2021/#2355 -- myeah, cost of not having a fixpoint to write it out then. I don't say that to beat you up with, just to reinforce why we need to write now.
[14:43] sourcerer: 2021-05-29 19:54:06 (#jwrd) jfw: what can I say, three years ago I think I could have given the correct example but that part of the brain has perhaps rusted.
[14:45] dorion: http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2021/jwrd-logs-for-May-2021/#2360 -- sounds good. I'll read what you write and ask questions because I find it important/interesting, but am n00bismo.
[14:45] sourcerer: 2021-05-29 20:14:08 (#jwrd) whaack: jfw: joking aside, that advice is important, thank you. Maybe I'll try to dedicate a copule of hours each week to a text on group/ring/field theory, and work my way up from there.
[14:48] dorion will bbl.
[17:09] jfw: dorion: I don't think the infrastructure's to blame, more that we hadn't put ourselves in an environment where anyone was even at a level to ask questions about basic group theory so as to draw it out.
[17:11] jfw: I remember explaining modular inversion to you while I was implementing it, on a walk near Coco del Mar, because that was how we did things and how our culture had developed.
[17:14] dorion: jfw, I think I was getting at the benefit of the written culture over the spoken and I remember that walk you're referring to now too.
[17:19] jfw: right, it's a higher tech level, as it were, more costs to adopting and using it but more leverage.
[17:22] dorion: yeah, those walks and talks were short term cheaper, but extracting the knowledge nuggets from that time is much more lossy and long term expensive.
[17:27] jfw: incidentally I'm not sure how well knowledge appreciates being measured in nuggets. more like strands of a web it seems to me
[18:01] dorion: true, went for the alliteration form over more descriptive substance there.
Day changed to 2021-06-06
[15:47] anotheruser: http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2021/jwrd-logs-for-Jun-2021/#2374 Yes, the accusation is true. I have been publishing music under the semi-pseudonym Allen Aselmann.
[15:47] sourcerer: 2021-06-01 14:16:03 (#jwrd) dorion: http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2021/jwrd-logs-for-May-2021/#2289 -- man, if you're not going to toot your own horn, I suppose I'll do it for you : whaack, he published some songs via googtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClqht1e8IsFgDBiDjjhZyIA
[15:48] anotheruser: http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2021/jwrd-logs-for-Jun-2021/#2376 No worries.
[15:48] sourcerer: 2021-06-01 14:18:19 (#jwrd) dorion: http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2021/jwrd-logs-for-May-2021/#2317 -- I suppose I front ran you because I like the songs you already have out..
[15:50] anotheruser: http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2021/jwrd-logs-for-Jun-2021/#2378 Yes, you are correct. Apparently, you retained the knowledge that you learned.
[15:50] sourcerer: 2021-06-01 14:21:43 (#jwrd) dorion: http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2021/jwrd-logs-for-May-2021/#2325 -- aye. and from perfect to imperfect consonance, direct motion can be placed on the table along with the contrary and oblique ;)
[16:02] anotheruser: http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2021/jwrd-logs-for-Jun-2021/#2380 Indeed, it is. All of the harmonic relationships are clear with notated music because you can visually see them and more easily apply counterpoint. This is possible via the piano roll, but that is not ideal. The other necessary features I would like for a DAW are; a good piano roll, ease of automation application, a good mixer
[16:02] sourcerer: 2021-06-01 14:23:10 (#jwrd) dorion: http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2021/jwrd-logs-for-May-2021/#2326 -- hmm. seems pretty important to have the notated music viewing feature.. what are the other important factors/features for your daw decision ?
[16:02] anotheruser: for mastering, midi to note conversion and vice versa.
[16:05] dorion: what's ease of automation application ?
[16:05] anotheruser: http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2021/jwrd-logs-for-Jun-2021/#2382 Nice! I just read it. I see that you still have a way with words. Let me know what the turn out ends up being.
[16:05] sourcerer: 2021-06-01 14:26:54 (#jwrd) dorion: http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2021/jwrd-logs-for-May-2021/#2327 -- the past couple weeks I've been organizing this : http://dorion-mode.com/2021/05/bitcoin-and-beverages-at-baxters-part-ii/ ; I have it all set up, but sales are a bit slow on it here in rural vt... more eyes glazing over responses than bills being broken out to pay so far.
[16:10] dorion: will do. annoyingly pretty slow, but it is what it is and gives more support for why I need to gtfo.
[16:23] anotheruser: dorion: Here is a fairly good definition of automation I found: What is Automation? Automation refers to automating, meaning having a robot or a computer do some task(s) for you. In the case of music production, automation means having a DAW (Logic Pro X, Pro Tools, Ableton, etc.) automatically perform tasks over time, particularly moving knobs, faders, and switches for you.
[16:24] anotheruser: The most popular use of automation in mixing is to adjust the volume of a track. For example, it allows you to bring an instrument to the forefront for a moment and fade it back out when the lead vocal comes back in.
[16:26] anotheruser: http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2021/jwrd-logs-for-Jun-2021/#2413 Yes, gtfo is key.
[16:26] sourcerer: 2021-06-06 16:10:01 (#jwrd) dorion: will do. annoyingly pretty slow, but it is what it is and gives more support for why I need to gtfo.
[17:28] dorion: anotheruser, yeah, I know what automation means, but was unclear what you mean in this context. so when you say ease of automation, do you mean an environment where you can write one such function and then reuse it across songs ?
[17:39] dorion will bbl.
[17:57] anotheruser: dorion: In all DAWs you can create automations for any setting; volume, distortion, reverb, delay, EQ, filters, chorus, panning, etc. A very common example would be to slowly increase the amount of volume for an instrument over time. I am sure you have heard this in a lot of EM. When you create an automation in FL Studio, it create another track, which is the entire duration of the song on the
[17:57] anotheruser: Playlist. This is not ideal because one has to then reduce the duration of the automation to the length of the given track's part in the song and move it over the said track, so as not to occupy an entire track. On the other hand, in Abelton Live, when one creates an automation, it creates a visualizer over the appropirate track(not a whole new track) which is only the duration of that track's
[17:57] anotheruser: part. As you can see, in this case, Abelton Live is better because it reduces the amount of steps and is clearer. I have considered swithing over to Abelton Live, but it doesn't have a feature for notated music. Since Cubase does, it seems to be the only viable option at this point. In regards to your question, since automations are very easy to make and specific to a given song, they are usually
[17:57] anotheruser: not reused across multiple songs, however, I am sure that some people do it.
[17:59] anotheruser: I see that I should limit each message to a given amount of characters rather than writing paragraphs. What is the specific character limitation per message?
[18:00] anotheruser: What is the specific character limit per message*?
Day changed to 2021-06-07
[14:25] whaack: anotheruser: no worries regarding writing a long message, your irc client will break it up for you as you saw above.
[17:01] jfw: anotheruser: the IRC protocol has a 512-character message limit, however this includes framing and headers (eg sender and recipient names) so it's complicated to say exactly. However the client is supposed to wrap longer messages for you, as whaack says and as you can see from the scrollback.
[17:08] jfw: anotheruser: seems to me that like most things in computers, the entire function of a DAW is automation; yet they've given the term a specific meaning which to me reads much more like "animation" - a transformation applied based on a time-varying parameter (or multiple parameters ultimately deriving from time)
Day changed to 2021-06-09
[20:28] whaack: jfw: Did you ever put some thought into how gbw node may perfom a reorganization without having to rescan? Given that it takes my node 1-2 months to sync, it'd be pretty ugly if a split in the chain required a full rescan
[20:31] whaack: I've changed your sql schema quite a bit, but maybe you have some ideas that could help
[20:33] whaack: Atm I plan to do the bandaid solution of creating a copy of my db, to do that I'm going to use the linux split command on the sql file and keep a copy on a hd.
Day changed to 2021-06-10
[05:59] jfw: whaack: how about: 1) for each new block, check that its previous block hash matches the expected; if not, reorg: 2) backtrack by checking block hashes (via dumpblock if necessary) backwards from the offending one until the common ancestor is found; 3) in one sql transaction, delete all subsequent blocks and the transactions therein and update scan height; 4) resume rescan as usual.
[06:00] jfw: step 3 may be the trickiest, though possibly a sql delete cascade can do it all for you.
[06:02] jfw: not seeing where 'split' would be helpful for backups, presumably your backup drive is at least as big as the live system's
[15:37] whaack: jfw: looks like I may have to test some variation of this advice, after cleaning going through 99% of the chain the scanner choked on block 685135
[15:39] whaack: (choked on block 685156 actually, because transaction with hash ec8a381f60b4100669da49c07feb6f3650e4be3843b35c7fad8db65742acc09 couldn't find transaction with hash 5c311970b4cf13c4aa9b5461b7a896f5ac39fb7034f6abba9b2c31c74362d871 that should be in block 685135)
[19:31] whaack: The problem seems to be because trb is spitting out a block that was orphaned https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/block/000000000000000000022b401b09a79e88ab432d66fc9ca7b431bd549f99162d/ is the current block in the chain, https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/block/00000000000000000001737a81638210d3181d3469fa280959cdeb0514bb3d32/ is the block I'm getting.
[19:31] whaack: https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/block/000000000000000000022b401b09a79e88ab432d66fc9ca7b431bd549f99162d/ is the block that should be there
[19:32] whaack: these live block explorers both say that each of these blocks have ~2k confirmations, so either their api is cheating on their calculation or is there a large fork going on that i was unaware of
[22:00] anotheruser: http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2021/jwrd-logs-for-Jun-2021/#2427 Yes, I see. I will write accordingly. I would like to avoid breaking up sentences into two separate messages.
[22:00] sourcerer: 2021-06-07 17:01:53 (#jwrd) jfw: anotheruser: the IRC protocol has a 512-character message limit, however this includes framing and headers (eg sender and recipient names) so it's complicated to say exactly. However the client is supposed to wrap longer messages for you, as whaack says and as you can see from the scrollback.
[22:09] anotheruser: http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2021/jwrd-logs-for-Jun-2021/#2428 That appears to be the case. I am sure that if you used a DAW you would understand its inner-workings better than most.
[22:09] sourcerer: 2021-06-07 17:08:17 (#jwrd) jfw: anotheruser: seems to me that like most things in computers, the entire function of a DAW is automation; yet they've given the term a specific meaning which to me reads much more like "animation" - a transformation applied based on a time-varying parameter (or multiple parameters ultimately deriving from time)
Day changed to 2021-06-11
[02:05] jfw: whaack: I'm in a misty mountain realm free of SSLs and DNSes so can't check your links at present; but is the idea that those two blocks have the same height and thus can't be simultaneously valid?
[02:05] jfw: (22b4 and 1737)
[02:08] jfw: does your bitcoind seem to be otherwise on the same tip as reported by blockcypher?
[02:10] jfw: also I'm not clear on whether your 1-2 months was for bitcoind sync or gbw-node scan.
[02:29] jfw: anotheruser: you could self-limit your line lengths I suppose but it doesn't seem the healthiest sort of adaptation to this mechanical limitation, because it sets you up to curtail your expressiveness in a medium that's already pretty limited and prone to over-abbreviation and misinterpretation, as well as to be fighting your tools rather than expoiting them (not just yrc either, it inherits the
[02:29] jfw: wrapping behavior from the culture of ~all irc implementations, in contrast to some kind of "130 characters remaining!" indicator - apparently even with the analog modems of 1989 the bytes were cheaper than in the "social networks" world.) Why not just let the reader adapt to the possibility (and practical reality, really) that some messages are continuations?
[02:37] jfw: perhaps also worth noting that irc doesn't really go for the "ding ding, buzz buzz" invasive notification style. nobody will complain that you're sending "too many messages", as such. the problem is more when people use too many words with too little substance for the given venue, which I don't expect will be any problem for you here.
[16:10] whaack: jfw: Good morning from the smoggy city of Web 2.0! Yes the links are two blx at the same height, and yes bitcoind was/is on the same chain as blockcypher
[16:11] whaack: Also, the sync time was entirely from my gbw-node-turned-block-explorer, not from trb-syncing
[19:12] jfw: some lolz for you, whaack: "The certificate for dev.blockcypher.com expired on 3/6/2021."
[19:15] jfw: anyway they're not exactly reporting "confirmations" but rather "current depth", which would appear to mean simple subtraction from the current best height without a clue that the block under examination isn't on the current chain.
[19:17] jfw: still possibly interesting that you're synced and yet "dumpblock" apparently is returning an orphan, perhaps you could take a closer look at that part.
Day changed to 2021-06-12
[17:45] whaack: jfw: There is/was a problem with dumpblock, asciilifeform posted a fix here http://logs.bitdash.io/therealbitcoin/2021-06-10#1001435 .
[17:45] bitdashbot: (therealbitcoin) 2021-06-10 asciilifeform: jurov (and all other TRB users) ACHTUNG : vpatch for subtle bug in 'dumpblock' published. thx whaack for finding the counterexample !
[18:03] whaack: jfw: If your output of dumpblock matches the block here ztkfg.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/685135_dump.blk your dumpblock is also returning an orphan.
[18:13] whaack: dorion and jfw: How did your bitcoin meetup go?
Day changed to 2021-06-14
[01:24] dorion: whaack, the attendees we've talked too have expressed appreciation and I'd say it went well overall. we grew from it certainly, more details to come on the blogs. we've otherwise been out building a cluster of computers for a local client and doing redneck and collared shirt things, with more of all of them to do in the next few days too !
Day changed to 2021-06-15
[02:17] jfw: whaack: nice find. Who could've predicted, the debugging hack that was already broken in N ways turns out to be broken in N+1 ways of which the +1 is fatal.
[02:23] jfw: Real solid engineering from the alleged heyday of the supposed bitcoin foundation (of "we don't need to grow and we don't need to fix the code either" fame), which we'll now have to clean up because yeah, this fucks my wallet which I'm committed to supporting.
[02:27] jfw: As I had signed and published the whole Bitcoin V-tree, I'm pleased to see that I'd signed that one only with my "unchecked" key. Not because that fixes anything, but at least my review process there is holding up so far.
[02:38] jfw: whaack: how'd you like to take on writing a proper fix? I figure that would mean removing 'dumpblock' and adding a clean & correct 'getblock'.
[02:40] jfw: if you present something of your own, building on my V-tree, I will review it & be available for questions as I'm able.
[02:44] jfw: removing dumpblock will break compat with current gbw-node, but the update should end up reducing its code and will definitely reduce its sharp edges, and if you have to patch anyway then just as well to do it right and patch both.
[02:52] jfw: whaack, cruciform: in other news, I've confirmed the v4 Bus Blaster works fine with my previous process, as well as got that working on Gales where previously it was Gentoo only.
[15:29] dorion: http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2021/jwrd-logs-for-Jun-2021/#2458 -- thank you for finding and sharing this. here are the keksums from the linked block I downloaded from you and the result of my local dumpblock.
[15:29] sourcerer: 2021-06-12 18:03:58 (#jwrd) whaack: jfw: If your output of dumpblock matches the block here ztkfg.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/685135_dump.blk your dumpblock is also returning an orphan.
[15:33] dorion: so it turns out 'trb' is a 'poisoned offering' afterall and 'dental pick' review is needed.
[15:34] dorion: http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2021/jwrd-logs-for-Jun-2021/#2463 -- cheers to that, at least ; but no, doesn't fix anything.
[15:34] sourcerer: 2021-06-15 02:27:28 (#jwrd) jfw: As I had signed and published the whole Bitcoin V-tree, I'm pleased to see that I'd signed that one only with my "unchecked" key. Not because that fixes anything, but at least my review process there is holding up so far.
[15:35] dorion: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2021-06-10#1038660 -- "the only use to date of eatblock/dumpblock has been to replicate nodes" is incorrect, which he ought to remember since he commented on jfw's troubles using it.
[15:47] dorion: http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2021/jwrd-logs-for-Jun-2021/#2468 -- for clarity, the keksum of both is : 0b93dce0b6c5458492e2c0bdccb772e922df5573a7b6a6a04789f6054d6db6724990cbe036e538f1d4ec934a84f60ea1ba7273bde54b4b9c3f323dc5f795bbce
[15:47] sourcerer: 2021-06-15 15:29:11 (#jwrd) dorion: http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2021/jwrd-logs-for-Jun-2021/#2458 -- thank you for finding and sharing this. here are the keksums from the linked block I downloaded from you and the result of my local dumpblock.
[15:49] jfw: http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2021/jwrd-logs-for-Jun-2021/#2473 - myeah.
[15:49] sourcerer: 2021-06-15 15:35:42 (#jwrd) dorion: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2021-06-10#1038660 -- "the only use to date of eatblock/dumpblock has been to replicate nodes" is incorrect, which he ought to remember since he commented on jfw's troubles using it.
[15:50] jfw: dorion: interesting that you see the same block as whaack, I'd have guessed the error would vary by each node's view of events / orphans / forks.
[15:53] dorion: jfw, asciilifeform reported dumpblock returning the same -- my keksum of the 685135 he posted matches too.
Day changed to 2021-06-18
[15:01] lalbornoz: https://i.imgur.com/zkMEoVo.jpeg
[15:06] lalbornoz: https://i.imgur.com/zkMEoVo.jpeg
[16:29] lalbornoz: YOUR SHIT CHATS MAKE ME SO MAD I PUNCH HOLES IN MY WALL!!! THATS Y I MOVED 2 IRC.LIBERA.CHAT #MIDIPIX https://i.imgur.com/zkMEoVo.jpeg
[16:38] lalbornoz: YOUR SHIT CHATS MAKE ME SO MAD I PUNCH HOLES IN MY WALL!!! THATS Y I MOVED 2 IRC.LIBERA.CHAT #MIDIPIX https://i.imgur.com/zkMEoVo.jpeg
Day changed to 2021-06-28
[06:06] whaack: heyo
[06:07] whaack: i'll bbl!
[11:09] dorion: hey whaack, welcome.
[11:18] lalbornoz: YOUR CHATS MAKE ME SO MAD I PUNCH HOLES IN MY WALL! THATS WHY I ONLY HANG OUT AT IRC.LIBERA.CHAT #MIDIPIX
[14:07] jfw: well, my piddly single-IP ban against that spammer lasted an impressive 10 days
[15:34] whaack: dorion: sorry, looks like i found a creative way to be stoopid when sending you the msg
[15:34] whaack: will reencrypt shortly
[16:02] dorion: whaack, feel free to write in here if you want.
[16:11] whaack: cool, i'll send the full letter soon but thumbs up re delay and extra ram (tyvm), and the shipping address should not need to change
[16:42] dorion: ok. whaack. re the fg. jacob is going to be passing through nyc mid july. if you want, he could leave it with someone you trust. I bring that up since last I knew, you were planning to visit nyc is aug and chain of custody on those matters.
[16:43] dorion: it atleast rules out unknown intermediaries handling it.
[17:03] whaack: dorion: thanks, let me ponder that decision. Sounds like a good plan since I already have a FG i can use here.
[17:30] dorion: yeah, knew you had the one already. take your time, let me know by the end of the week.
Day changed to 2021-06-29
[01:23] dorion: whaack, relatedly, I'm staying on central park west till thursday evening. I'm curious if there's anyone you want to put me in touch with.
[01:25] dorion: I went for a golden hour walk this evening, one block out the door I randomly ran into gabe sukenik, who I worked at coinapult with. we proceeded forthwith to sushi and sake. hadn't seen him since 2016 or 17 probably.
[01:26] dorion: jfw, he was on his way to pick up parker at jfk. parker's in manhattan a couple days then out to hamptons for the weekend.
[02:12] jfw: wb whaack.
[02:16] jfw: I think I just accidentallied your latest blog comment :( I was clicking to focus the window, on a seemingly innocent blank spot on the dashboard into which popped up the unapprove/edit/reply/spam/delete links. only clue I had to what happened was the half-second animation of the comment flashing to red. idiotic design, zero benefit to making those links auto-hide.
[02:17] jfw: I can look at my backups but they're from last night so probably don't include it.
[02:21] jfw: can't seem to think of any places that might have a hard copy, eg there's perhaps feedbot still running somewhere but it didn't include the content
[02:21] jfw: whaack: do you happen to have the text saved or on clipboard or something?
[02:22] jfw: browser memory?
[02:22] whaack: jfw: last comment I made was on your dumpblock article
[02:22] whaack: you responded to it
[02:23] whaack: is that the one you're talking about?
[02:23] jfw: crap, that suggests it's some *other* comment that I didn't get to read, and just saw whaack in peripheral vision as it disappeared.
[02:33] whaack: : /
[02:50] jfw: otoh I'm not finding in the apache log any human-looking user agents POSTing to /wp-comments-post.php since my last one (all safari, opera or edge on windows which seem to fit more with the spammer profile)... or the POST where I deleted it, but that's obscured because the admin actions all seem to end up in /wp-admin/admin-ajax.php notwithstanding more specific targets in the plain href. Maybe I
[02:50] jfw: daydreamt it...
[11:07] lalbornoz: YOUR CHATS MAKE ME SO MAD I PUNCH HOLES IN MY WALL! THATS WHY I ONLY HANG OUT AT IRC.LIBERA.CHAT #MIDIPIX
[11:13] lalbornoz: YOUR CHATS MAKE ME SO MAD I PUNCH HOLES IN MY WALL! THATS WHY I ONLY HANG OUT AT IRC.LIBERA.CHAT #MIDIPIX
[11:16] lalbornoz: YOUR CHATS MAKE ME SO MAD I PUNCH HOLES IN MY WALL! THATS WHY I ONLY HANG OUT AT IRC.LIBERA.CHAT #MIDIPIX
[11:23] lalbornoz: YOUR CHATS MAKE ME SO MAD I PUNCH HOLES IN MY WALL! THATS WHY I ONLY HANG OUT AT IRC.LIBERA.CHAT #MIDIPIX
[11:24] lalbornoz: YOUR CHATS MAKE ME SO MAD I PUNCH HOLES IN MY WALL! THATS WHY I ONLY HANG OUT AT IRC.LIBERA.CHAT #MIDIPIX
[11:31] lalbornoz: YOUR CHATS MAKE ME SO MAD I PUNCH HOLES IN MY WALL! THATS WHY I ONLY HANG OUT AT IRC.LIBERA.CHAT #MIDIPIX
[15:39] jfw: I've expanded our new admirer's ban to its whole isp ( 185.213.155.0/24 ), might last a bit longer.
[15:46] jfw: dorion: how's our Mr. Sukenik, think he's wised up at all?
[15:53] dorion: jfw, I think he has a bit. about the coinapult drama re you, he said it was mostly driven by his lack of knowledge about tech and simply that he didn't like how much less he was being paid compared to you.
[15:54] dorion: he got put in a rough spot with the combination of Ira and Oz both using him as a puppet, not that he doesn't share some of the responsibility there.
[15:59] jfw: hey, glad to hear it frankly like that, if secondhand.
[16:01] jfw: and yes, I think they had thrown him in over his head or at any rate were setting him up for pain, as I got the feeling they were doing with me too.
[16:02] dorion: yeah, it took hima while longer than you to sort it out, but he got out, but glad he got out before it collapsed.
[16:06] jfw: I can imagine.
[16:10] jfw: not like my pay was all that much either, but a lot of hours because yeah, getting up to speed with an in-house system using all the latest shiny SV toys. "the old guy didn't cost this much to do these tasks" - yeah because he built the thing from zero, but still ended up not wanting to work with it.
Day changed to 2021-06-30
[20:20] dorion: buddy just received an emergency blast to ipNoje from bureaucrats, ~"please turn off things that consume power so we can avoid a blackout."
[20:21] dorion: didn't include a spanish translation though. racists.
[20:29] jfw: targeted advertising.
[20:31] dorion: that's what he said, "they know I speak english."
[20:32] jfw: pretty inefficient that they have to say please. why not integrate with smart home control apps to automatically shut off A/C for your convenience?
[20:35] dorion: I read about some bluethooth controlled implant that fatties are putting in their mouths to keep their jaws shut and only allow the consumption of liquids.
[20:36] jfw: maybe that's just my practical & technical approach though. the real purpose may be more to create some drama, make the herd feel like they're important & doing their part for the team.
[20:37] jfw: hm, coke is a liquid... found a loophole!
[20:40] jfw: the blackout risk is probably quite real though. local backup generators, noisy and stinky as they are, look set to become more important than ever.
[20:43] whaack: howdy all
[20:43] dorion: heya whaack.
[20:44] whaack: dorion: haven't found the time to reencrypt the mesage but in the letter i also had the restaraunt recomendation of 'gyu kaku' in midtown
[20:44] whaack: the 2 best restaraunts i knew in nyc have since closed : |
[20:44] dorion: ok, thanks. might check it out tonight.
[20:45] dorion: (last night on this trip.)
[20:45] whaack: but gyu kaku is a nice little japanese bbq place.
[20:45] dorion: leaving after market hours tomorrow.
[20:45] whaack: you may need a reservation
[20:46] dorion: yeah, sez limited dine in.
[20:46] dorion: on the www.
[20:49] dorion: whaack, re your rsi, ever heard of/tried eft ? entry point : https://eft.mercola.com
[20:52] dorion: I've been doing it on an off, e.g. sometimes when I have trouble sleeping. never had anything as severe as what you describe, but the idea/some studies say it reduces cortisol and helps relieve the emotional aspect of injuries. basically, when you're in fight/flight or sad about an injury, immune response is down-regulated and thus healing capacity.
[20:57] jfw: ftr, my evaluation of the above remains that it's blatant snake oil. just because the feds tried to shut the guy down doesn't necessarily mean he's onto something.
[20:57] whaack: dorion: I'll give it a shot, I've read a lot of stories of people with rsi claiming they reduced symptoms dramatically by fixing stress/emotional problems
[21:00] dorion: jfw, he's not selling it though. people are also 'cured' with plecebos, neh ?
[21:00] dorion: the way I see it is all it costs is some time so opportunity costs.
[21:01] jfw: people are 'cured' through prayer and all manner of things, what of it?
[21:02] jfw: seems harmless enough to try though, long as it's not used as a substitute for investigating the problem & options.
[21:02] dorion: the mind and one's outlook has an affect on one's health.
[21:03] jfw: effect
[21:04] dorion: whaack, the idea is it's not simply the pain of the wrist that bothers you, but also what it's preventing you from doing, e.g. computer, guitars, etc. these limitations can compound the pain.
[21:04] jfw: I believe that, but doesn't prove anything about the specific techniques the guy is selling.
[21:10] dorion: I've not dug too too deep on the studies, but there is, e.g. https://www.thetappingsolution.com/blog/eft-tapping-lowers-the-stress-hormone-cortisol-a-replicated-study/
[21:11] jfw: "simple tapping with the fingertips is used to input kinetic energy onto specific meridians on the head and chest while you think about your specific problem - whether it is a traumatic event, an addiction, pain, etc. - and voice positive affirmations." - and if that's not sufficiently obvious woo-woo, there's that it's apparently an offshoot of
[21:11] jfw: "thought field" therapy
[21:11] jfw reads
[21:14] dorion: jfw, do you think acupuncture is woo-woo ?
[21:15] dorion: I've never had it done to me.
[21:15] dorion: jfw, I'm getting a 404 on your oocities link there
[21:16] dorion: nvm^
[21:18] dorion: btw, jfw, anecdotally, matt gallant told me he's been doing it for years.
[21:21] jfw: "Conclusions: Findings support the original study indicating EFT to be an efficient and effective brief treatment for reducing biological markers of stress." - plausible; a long way from curing or producing lasting reduction of any particular chronic physical or physically-manifesting condition though.
[21:22] jfw: I'm pretty skeptical of acupuncture but haven't looked much into it.
[21:24] dorion: anyways, I brought it up because I want whaack's wrists to heal and it could be a cheap method of helping. likely in conjunction with other things too.
[21:24] whaack: it doesn't seem too far fetched that reducing emotional stress can help relieve symptoms.
[21:28] jfw: "the posttreatment cortisol level detected among the EFT group was lower than that of the NT group (2.02%); however, there was not a statistically significant difference between the 2 groups." - having trouble interpreting this, especially in contrast to the immediately preceeding "the EFT group experienced a significant decrease in cortisol greater than the original study"
[21:28] whaack: i share your concern though jfw about all this stress management stuff being voodoo
[21:29] whaack: and by share concern i mean i have a similar intuition
[21:29] jfw: dorion: nothing wrong with discussing it to the extent we're able, certainly.
[21:31] jfw: the difference between medicine and quackery (as indeed much if not most historical medicine was) does not lie in whether the practitioner earnestly wants to help the patient though.
[21:32] jfw: (it lies in whether it actually works & is worth the risks)
[21:35] dorion: well, ~all, "mind over matter" rests on faith. there are people that take the doctor's time to live on faith and die even before and there are others that say, I don't care what you say, I'ma live well beyond and do. granted, there are also people in the former that believe the doctor and still outlive the diagnosis and in the latter that disregard and die earlier. I guess it comes down to
[21:35] dorion: ~everything you do rest on faith to a degree because the future isn't known.
[21:35] whaack: in addition to sharing the intuition about the nonsense of some of this shit, i also have the idea that maybe homeopathy and eastern medicine may, on average, beat high tech bullshit, since the eastern medicine helps with somehwere between 0 and epsilon (epsilon being some emotional/spiritual improvement) and high tech quackery fucks shit up from failed pseudoscience
[21:35] dorion: jfw, yeah I mention this in particular because I don't see much risk at all outside the time/attention outlay.
[21:38] dorion: whaack, opiods might not be pseudoscience in terms of pain reduction, but look at all the problems those proscriptions cause/have caused.
[21:39] dorion: pre*scription
[21:41] dorion: being the son of an athletic trainer, I'm also a proponent of icing. was a main thing my dad recommended and seemed to help the various injuries I had over the years.
[21:42] whaack: i've been making pots of cold and hot water right next to each other, 4 mins of hot, 1 min of cold, on and off
[21:42] jfw: whaack: indeed; when buying snake oil, buy the cheapest
[21:42] whaack: ^ lmao
[21:44] whaack: argh, one of the things i'll miss most about mp was his humor
[21:45] jfw: dorion: icing is pretty mainstream afaik, and with straightforward theoretical basis (increasing blood flow to an injured region and thereby nutrients, waste elimination & immune activity)
[21:46] whaack puts icepacks back in the freezer
[21:48] dorion: whaack, from what I understand, you gotta get the area ~numb from the cold. so ~20 mins. soles of feet and palms of hands and the face are the most sensitve to the cold.
[21:49] dorion: whaack, sauna also ramps up blood flow. I've been using a portable steam sauna (cost ~$150) for about a year. gets my heart rate up to 160 bpm.
[21:50] dorion: sauna has loads of other benefits too.
[21:51] whaack: dorion: good to know re 20 mins of cold
[21:52] jfw: I did once at dorion's suggestion try icing my fingers for what I'd been told was 'dishydrotic eczema', because I was willing to try ~anything; was rather painful & didn't help. but ymmv.
[21:52] whaack: i'm also believing in this increased bloodflow being a universal good idea
[21:54] whaack: i also believe that rsi comes from a pinched nerve, or multiple pinched nerves, possibly found in the neck due to the symmetry of the problem in both hands
[21:55] whaack: and that perhaps there is some negative feedback loop occuring - i.e. the pinched nerve sends a signal that causes inflammation leading to more pinching of the nerve
[21:55] dorion: do you have a stand up desk whaack ?
[21:55] whaack: dorion: nope
[21:55] dorion: I used boxes for a while and then built a wooden extension out of 2x4 to sit on top of my standard desk in panama.
[21:57] whaack: and lastly my theory is rsi reaches the permanent chronic stage when some inflection point is hit where the nerve pinching / inflammation gets to a runaway loop
[21:57] dorion: I've read sitting and hunched over a computer in particular to be quite detrimental.
[22:01] dorion: "facepulls" are helpful in counterbalancing the hunch. but you want to do them with palms supinated (facing your face) to prevent internal rotation of the shoulder.
[22:02] dorion: whaack, yeah, could be muscular imbalance in back/neck.
[22:03] dorion: changing gears a bit before I head out in ~15, I've patched my bitcoind with jfw's dumpblock fix, now it returns the keksum of : bcf56ac882ad981cd0fa74f0f397572c28801c1eb31c1bac4ca703d6f19e9419d693ba6c2b55efbf139777fa6bed9421506f9f27d462e7aacff3202a88ca2389 for 685135, which differs from the loser block it was returning prior.
[22:04] dorion: didn't yet check it against any thirdparties.
[22:04] dorion: jfw, I'm about to go meet up with justin mullen.
[22:04] jfw: thanks for the data point & enjoy
[22:10] whaack: dorion: you likely had more losers lying around than i did, depending on when you sync'd your trb, see my comment on jfw's blog if you haevn't

5 Comments »

  1. Let's see if you've the spine to pull this comment out of your spam filter :

    If the install base of your commercial offering were something other than zero, you would have discovered this bug long ago, via the same path as whaack did.

    So far I'm not seeing any signs that anyone at JWRD co. has put in serious effort to understand how the old cruft works; you thereby endanger both yourselves and your misfortunate customers, should they ever happen materialize. But this is between you and Beelzebub.

    Pro tip: *all* software that you didn't write *yourself* is a "poisoned offering".

    Especially if you get carried away in lifting my work, sawing off serial numbers, and pretending it to be authorship while demonstratively sneering; and consequently neglect to go back and crib fixes. (Seems that you don't have the sendbuffer patch in your TRB either, which means that all nodes belonging to you and your customers -- should there one day be any -- are trivially remotely crashable.)

    P.S.: MP won't "come back"; and if he were to come back, will not shower you with dough for having role-played SS Werwolf.

    Comment by Stanislav Datskovskiy — 2021-06-15 @ 19:10

  2. If the install base of your commercial offering were something other than zero, you would have discovered this bug long ago, via the same path as whaack did.

    Well, whaack is our customer and he found the bug that crawled outta you and into the Bitcoin source. So I suppose you're wrong again. To underscore how wrong you are on this point, GBW-node is designed to trust TRB and only watch the addresses it's told about. This bug was discovered because whaack extended gbw-node to index all addresses and transactions. The underlying point you're attempting to make seems self-defeating, which I'll leave as an exercise for the alert reader.

    So far I'm not seeing any signs that anyone at JWRD co. has put in serious effort to understand how the old cruft works;

    Keep your projections to yourself. You're the one that signed off on the bug and you're the one with your pants down. Pull them up and tighten your belt rather than continuing to dump shit every which way you turn. Jacob tried using your thing and wrote an article expressing his troubles, which you hand waved away at the time and then later pretended no one used it to deflect responsibility. He also implemented Gales Linux (which allows us to cut out your cribbed buildroot) and cut out the wallet (which no one had publicly done). What you call trb returned incorrect data 2k blocks deep.

    This doesn't even get into fixing bugs in v.pl no one else saw or making it keccak w/o gnat, but we don't need to list all the feathers in his cap.

    Pro tip: *all* software that you didn't write *yourself* is a "poisoned offering".

    Here you misrepresent "manalone" as "pro". Professionals understand trust enters into human relations and work to understand the extent to which they can trust the people they're working with and relying on. To profess is to claim or affirm and in practice this is either proven to stand or fall down.

    If you ever take a moment to step out of reaction mode and reflect, it might occur to you that I referenced my betters to acknowledge they knew better and in the meantime I didn't do the work they advised. The top node there wasn't about "you", but that the trust model I have been acting out is broken and my betters knew.

    Especially if you get carried away in lifting my work, sawing off serial numbers, and pretending it to be authorship

    Get over yourself and your hallucinations already. Pics or it didn't happen, where have we done such ? For the record (not for "you", the record), with the FUCKGOATS we bought, we detail what they are in the contract and resell them in the manufacturer sealed packaging, as well as link to No Such lAbs in the latest article (this is called scholarship). We absolutely would have ordered more from you (as proven by outbidding YOU and paying a steep mark up on the originals) if that supply didn't collapse and you didn't get s.nsa wound up through your nonsense. We just found out the hard way we can't rely on your sigs on Bitcoin code.

    Seems that you don't have the sendbuffer patch in your TRB either, which means that all nodes belonging to you and your customers -- should there one day be any -- are trivially remotely crashable.

    It is correct we don't have this patch in our tree. For one thing, it's not directly usable because it doesn't build on our tree and is not signed by anyone active in our WoT. In order to use it, we'd have to review it ourselves and we've deemed this a low priority item because a) you yourself said it wasn't a full fix and we've not encountered this problem in practice (because we're not deploying publicly listening nodes for the time being), b) the problems we've observed in trb, e.g. the need to restart regularly, are unrelated to this issue and c) you've expressly stated you're operating in a reactive mode and not proactively understanding the code.

    P.S.: MP won't "come back"; and if he were to come back, will not shower you with dough for having role-played SS Werwolf.

    You have enough trouble speaking for yourself, I'm certainly not interested in hearing you speak for others.

    asciilifeform: in other lulz, preening scammer duo pretending that trb fix 'unhappened'.

    In closing, we're not pretending you didn't emit text that allegedly fixes your fuckup (wasn't dumpblock corrected once ?!), whaack's link to it in the log above will remain. The point is the patch does not solve the problem for us, i.e. the problem we've got ourselves into by trusting you. This is the root of what we have to fix and it doesn't involve you whatsoever.

    Comment by Robinson Dorion — 2021-06-16 @ 06:22

  3. Dorion -- you are in IMHO a most interesting position: of trying to portray me as an incompetent, while simultaneously running a company marketing rebadged copies of my inventions (V, FUCKGOATS) and multi-year archaeological excavations (TRB, fiber "diode", GNAT.)

    Where were you and JFW while I was cutting 0.5.3 into TRB in '14? Why not lifted a finger to help? And for that matter, realize that there's ~400kB of mostly untouched heathen code in there. I am, supposing, in your cosmography, a moron; but at the same time you believe (and would have your customers believe) that I defused all of the bombs therein? Where is the logic in this?

    All the snake-tonguing in the world will not help you to permanently obscure the origin of these products (which despite more than a year, have not been meaningfully improved by your co. or marketed with any degree of success -- I won't bother to argue the point any longer, will let your slowly dwindling cash reserves argue it instead) as your would-be clientele *will* eventually discover the facts one way or another.

    The logs (which are readable by your prospective customers, and not only those sections you prefer to link to) show who it was who made it so that you have what to put new coats of paint on and sell to begin with.

    I invented and wrote V, dragged people kicking and screaming to use it; excavated Ada from oblivion, after many dead ends, and -- ditto; and dug TRB out of the mud (incidentally, you can easily do without all ~40 of the LOC I added to it, most of the effort consisted in cutting & instrumentation, as you well know). FG was designed and built by yours truly, as you also know, "s.nsa" was a collaborative work of fiction perpetrated at MP's insistence while it pleased him.

    Speaking of bugs, do you suppose that JFW's "wallet" proggy is bug-free? (spoiler: it very much isn't.) To whom should these be addressed?

    Comment by Stanislav Datskovskiy — 2021-06-16 @ 19:27

  4. portray me as an incompetent

    You're incompetent in dealing with people, not technical matters per se. You've known for a while that I learned about computers from reading you. It's not that you made a mistake, it's how you handled it (and are handling it).

    rebadged copies of my inventions (V, FUCKGOATS)

    We're linking, not rebadging. And those aren't your inventions, you'd have not made them without Mr. Popescu and S.NSA, which is what you used to say (the instance I recall was to kako post-s.bb schism), until he fired you. And now S.MG is writing the V for production use because you.. sat around rationalizing why you work for the enemy to turn around and pay rent in her swamp and meanwhile spat on every extended hand offered to help extract you.

    Where were you and JFW while I was cutting 0.5.3 into TRB in '14?

    I was working for Coinapult and JFW was sharpening his skills while moving abroad to Panama. You showed up to TMSR well before us, congrats and thank you I suppose though it's unclear how many potential people you drove away.

    you believe (and would have your customers believe) that I defused all of the bombs therein? Where is the logic in this?

    Instead of hallucinating what you write, I actually read and reflect -- at least most of the time. Never have I said the Bitcoin code --or underlying math for that matter-- is perfect. TRB was always described as a turd that's being polished / cleanest shirt in the dirty laundry. The contradiction is only in your conveniently contrived false narrative, not in what I've written or said.

    help you to permanently obscure the origin of these products

    I don't need or want help doing that because I'm not doing it nor do I want to.

    which despite more than a year, have not been meaningfully improved by your co. or marketed with any degree of success -- I won't bother to argue the point any longer, will let your slowly dwindling cash reserves argue it instead.

    You know, you're not any better an armchair management consultant than you are an armchair general. Our business started out focused on services, one of which being the consulting on which products to buy. We've not produced a TRNG to date, no, because the foundations we thought we were standing on meanwhile collapsed. I say this not to pass blame to anyone outside ourselves, but to provide context to any new readers. In the meanwhile, we've continued with the training and hardware sales (from the RESERVE WE BOUGHT outbidding you on the salvage of the Pizarro you shipwrecked) and have also been implementing another product/service in a pivot and the fact is... our cash reserves are UP.

    The logs (which are readable by your prospective customers, and not only those sections you prefer to link to) show who it was who made it so that you have what to put new coats of paint on and sell to begin with.

    I don't know if anyone has wasted more time than you with anti-signal nonsense. Don't insult our readers or customers who, if they have any merit, underfuckingstand the whole fucking log is there on Trilema and in case they've not read it before, the minimal required reading to sort out who's who and what's what is 6 months.

    I invented and wrote V

    You made a proof of concept script of a concept that was discussed for quite a while in the forum. Maybe you brought it up first, I'm not going to look cause anyone who wants to can and you've wasted enough of my time by giving me puke to clean up.

    dragged people kicking and screaming to use it

    Everyone was excited and very proud and congratulatory from the logs and blogs that I've read since 2014, 'V for Victory' anyone ? Buehler ?. I started reading in earnest in January 2015, but that included a lot of going back to years prior out of curiosity, searching and link following. Grow the fuck up already and quit pretending you were the single parent there washing ~and~ drying dishes.

    and dug TRB out of the mud

    On Mr. Popescu's orders.

    FG was designed and built by yours truly, as you also know, "s.nsa" was a collaborative work of fiction perpetrated at MP's insistence while it pleased him.

    I'm sure you did a lot of the work on FG, maybe even like 80%, but the reason it says NSA on the torn open asshole on the underside and not "Stanislav Datskovskiy" is because it wouldn't have existed without Mr. Popescu and MPEx. S.NSA was a company constituted by a contract you signed on to and financed by MPEx investors, not mighty mouse manalone.

    Speaking of bugs, do you suppose that JFW's "wallet" proggy is bug-free? (spoiler: it very much isn't.) To whom should these be addressed?

    The author of this blog. If he made a mistake, I trust he's competent enough to own it.

    Comment by Robinson Dorion — 2021-06-17 @ 02:29

  5. have not been meaningfully improved by your co.

    Sure, so long as you conveniently ignore the entire software category here.

    "s.nsa" was a collaborative work of fiction perpetrated at MP's insistence while it pleased him.

    Good to know, previously I'd described the situation in terms of a failure of S.NSA. Now I take it that the discontinuance of FUCKGOATS was a deliberate decision by Stanislav Datskovskiy.

    Speaking of bugs, do you suppose that JFW's "wallet" proggy is bug-free? (spoiler: it very much isn't.) To whom should these be addressed?

    There's no "should" here. Supposing you actually have something, you'll do whatever you'll do with it, and we'll act accordingly.

    Comment by Jacob Welsh — 2021-06-17 @ 03:20

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