Day changed to 2026-05-01
[19:29] jfw: welcome matthewjablack, how did the irc client selection & setup go?
[19:30] matthewjablack: it ended up being pretty easy
[19:30] matthewjablack: had limechat already downloaded
[19:30] matthewjablack: just entered server details
[19:31] jfw: alright, not bad
[19:31] jfw: hm, looks like the topic message got lost somewhere along the way here, I should take care of that
[19:31] matthewjablack: now I'm just worried about msgs persisting. that's why I use to run it on my 24/7 lenovo laptop with weechat
[19:32] jfw: that's one advantage of using the public channel here, there's persisent logs fully searchable & linkable on the web
[19:33] jfw: there we go
[19:33] matthewjablack: that's awesome. I guess no good solution for DMs unless I run weechat
[19:34] jfw: in theory there are bouncers you can run on a server, though none supported here so far.
[19:35] jfw: there's also some bots here, like sourcerer who takes the logs and quotes the references, and wotbot who handles key registration and ratings
[19:36] jfw: !w help
[19:36] wotbot: Available commands: hi, help, register, up, down, key, rate, unrate, rated
[19:40] nekoluce: omg you guys started the chat for may xD
[19:56] jfw: luz wanted to have that 'first post' status again...
[20:01] jfw: but in a word, the WoT provides the tools to bind the convenience of irc nicknames to the stability of long-term RSA identities, and on that basis to declare and check up on social references.
[20:27] matthewjablack: that's awesome. so that replaces nickserv I'm guessing
[20:51] jfw: pretty much, we haven't had enough hostilities in here yet to need a full lineup of defenses but wotbot can already manage voice permissions if we enable channel moderation
[20:52] matthewjablack: nice
[23:33] dorion: matthewjablack, welcome !
[23:34] nekoluce: Happy labor day guys
Day changed to 2026-05-02
[20:06] matthewjablack: any alternatives to github y'all recommend? github has been a shitcoin lately
Day changed to 2026-05-03
[02:09] nekoluce: well instead of using github some here have their own wordpress blog in order to publish instead of having repositories but they use their own server too as well I just publish things on linkedin but i dont really know any alternative form that is currently working matt sorry
[02:13] jfw: matthewjablack, it depends which aspects of github you're hoping to keep while tossing the others that come along with it
[02:13] jfw: as the 'sourceforge 2.0', code dump-truck of the internet, it seems to be doing fine
[02:14] jfw: but as a place where smart people would want to hang out, publish code they care about and collaborate, not so much
[02:21] jfw: for the hangout & publishing, the forum implemented as irc + WoT + blogs works nicely; while for the mechanics of tracking software changes, versions & signed editions, the state of the art is VaMP.
[02:23] jfw: I'd have to say my own use of it has still been limited, due to the Ada/GNAT requirement on one hand and not so many collaborators on the other to even require better tools; though I did a bunch with the predecessor "V"
Day changed to 2026-05-06
[11:55] matthewjablack: jfw actually github does not seem to be doing fine: https://www.dayswithoutgithubincident.com/
[11:55] matthewjablack: also commits have been reverting randomly for some companies. very concerning
[11:57] matthewjablack: it seems ai slop has made it's way every where
[11:57] matthewjablack: vamp is more for trusted releases? I guess I was looking more into gitlab / gitea, both having self hosted options
[21:14] jfw: http://jfxpt.com/2026/jwrd-logs-for-May-2026/#15728 - hostname isn't resolving here (or is that the joke?)
[21:14] sourcerer: 2026-05-06 11:55:01 (#jwrd) matthewjablack: jfw actually github does not seem to be doing fine: https://www.dayswithoutgithubincident.com/
[21:15] jfw: the original sourceforge once the money got tight started injecting adware into hosted projects' downloads so it sounds about as expected, just that even the corruption is less functional now?
[21:16] jfw: before the AI slop there was the JavaSlop, which is one noticeable common factor between github and gitlab besides the paint job
[21:21] jfw: as far as vamp, it includes tools for key management, version control, code display, and publication. it ships as part of the Eulora2 client so trying that out is a good way to get a closer look
Day changed to 2026-05-19
[19:54] matthewjablack: This seems pretty neat: https://x.com/TFTC21/status/2056774252490317976
[19:54] matthewjablack: open-source mesh VPN
Day changed to 2026-05-20
[23:12] jfw: http://jfxpt.com/2026/jwrd-logs-for-May-2026/#15728 - now the link worked, so underlying content is now archived - quite the firehose
[23:12] sourcerer: 2026-05-06 11:55:01 (#jwrd) matthewjablack: jfw actually github does not seem to be doing fine: https://www.dayswithoutgithubincident.com/
[23:28] jfw: matthewjablack, from my POV, github still hasn't fixed their self-inflicted outage of 2022, http://jfxpt.com/2022/jwrd-logs-for-Apr-2022/#3658
[23:28] sourcerer: 2022-04-03 19:30:00 (#jwrd) jfw: In unsurprising but still aggravating progress, github no longer supports git.
[23:34] jfw: http://jfxpt.com/2026/jwrd-logs-for-May-2026/#15737 - also archived. this nostr thing seems buzzing a lot lately; best I can sniff without a deep dig, it'd be another sillycon valley attempt to capture & subvert the revolution, ye good olde EEE
[23:34] sourcerer: 2026-05-19 19:54:53 (#jwrd) matthewjablack: This seems pretty neat: https://x.com/TFTC21/status/2056774252490317976
[23:42] jfw: anyone know who is this Martti Malmi anyway? for all the talk of being an important early bitcoin dev, he doesn't turn up at all by first or last name in the git history going back to aug 2009
[23:45] jfw: nor in the archived WoT.
Day changed to 2026-05-22
[10:24] SemiDios: Hello everyone!
[18:30] jfw: hello SemiDios
[19:17] dorion: http://jfxpt.com/2026/jwrd-logs-for-May-2026/#15745 -- iirc he's the 'sirius' on tardstalk. all I know of his dev work is he ported bitcoind to linux, well retarduntu.
[19:17] sourcerer: 2026-05-20 23:42:57 (#jwrd) jfw: anyone know who is this Martti Malmi anyway? for all the talk of being an important early bitcoin dev, he doesn't turn up at all by first or last name in the git history going back to aug 2009
[19:18] dorion: welcome SemiDios.
[19:21] dorion: http://jfxpt.com/2026/jwrd-logs-for-May-2026/#15743 -- myeah, let's get the monkeys to hammer nails with the electron microscope and generate a bunch of ecdsa sigs that would otherwise never come about.
[19:21] sourcerer: 2026-05-20 23:34:13 (#jwrd) jfw: http://jfxpt.com/2026/jwrd-logs-for-May-2026/#15737 - also archived. this nostr thing seems buzzing a lot lately; best I can sniff without a deep dig, it'd be another sillycon valley attempt to capture & subvert the revolution, ye good olde EEE
[19:29] jfw: welcome matthewjablack, how did the irc client selection & setup go?
[19:30] matthewjablack: it ended up being pretty easy
[19:30] matthewjablack: had limechat already downloaded
[19:30] matthewjablack: just entered server details
[19:31] jfw: alright, not bad
[19:31] jfw: hm, looks like the topic message got lost somewhere along the way here, I should take care of that
[19:31] matthewjablack: now I'm just worried about msgs persisting. that's why I use to run it on my 24/7 lenovo laptop with weechat
[19:32] jfw: that's one advantage of using the public channel here, there's persisent logs fully searchable & linkable on the web
[19:33] jfw: there we go
[19:33] matthewjablack: that's awesome. I guess no good solution for DMs unless I run weechat
[19:34] jfw: in theory there are bouncers you can run on a server, though none supported here so far.
[19:35] jfw: there's also some bots here, like sourcerer who takes the logs and quotes the references, and wotbot who handles key registration and ratings
[19:36] jfw: !w help
[19:36] wotbot: Available commands: hi, help, register, up, down, key, rate, unrate, rated
[19:40] nekoluce: omg you guys started the chat for may xD
[19:56] jfw: luz wanted to have that 'first post' status again...
[20:01] jfw: but in a word, the WoT provides the tools to bind the convenience of irc nicknames to the stability of long-term RSA identities, and on that basis to declare and check up on social references.
[20:27] matthewjablack: that's awesome. so that replaces nickserv I'm guessing
[20:51] jfw: pretty much, we haven't had enough hostilities in here yet to need a full lineup of defenses but wotbot can already manage voice permissions if we enable channel moderation
[20:52] matthewjablack: nice
[23:33] dorion: matthewjablack, welcome !
[23:34] nekoluce: Happy labor day guys
Day changed to 2026-05-02
[20:06] matthewjablack: any alternatives to github y'all recommend? github has been a shitcoin lately
Day changed to 2026-05-03
[02:09] nekoluce: well instead of using github some here have their own wordpress blog in order to publish instead of having repositories but they use their own server too as well I just publish things on linkedin but i dont really know any alternative form that is currently working matt sorry
[02:13] jfw: matthewjablack, it depends which aspects of github you're hoping to keep while tossing the others that come along with it
[02:13] jfw: as the 'sourceforge 2.0', code dump-truck of the internet, it seems to be doing fine
[02:14] jfw: but as a place where smart people would want to hang out, publish code they care about and collaborate, not so much
[02:21] jfw: for the hangout & publishing, the forum implemented as irc + WoT + blogs works nicely; while for the mechanics of tracking software changes, versions & signed editions, the state of the art is VaMP.
[02:23] jfw: I'd have to say my own use of it has still been limited, due to the Ada/GNAT requirement on one hand and not so many collaborators on the other to even require better tools; though I did a bunch with the predecessor "V"
Day changed to 2026-05-06
[11:55] matthewjablack: jfw actually github does not seem to be doing fine: https://www.dayswithoutgithubincident.com/
[11:55] matthewjablack: also commits have been reverting randomly for some companies. very concerning
[11:57] matthewjablack: it seems ai slop has made it's way every where
[11:57] matthewjablack: vamp is more for trusted releases? I guess I was looking more into gitlab / gitea, both having self hosted options
[21:14] jfw: http://jfxpt.com/2026/jwrd-logs-for-May-2026/#15728 - hostname isn't resolving here (or is that the joke?)
[21:14] sourcerer: 2026-05-06 11:55:01 (#jwrd) matthewjablack: jfw actually github does not seem to be doing fine: https://www.dayswithoutgithubincident.com/
[21:15] jfw: the original sourceforge once the money got tight started injecting adware into hosted projects' downloads so it sounds about as expected, just that even the corruption is less functional now?
[21:16] jfw: before the AI slop there was the JavaSlop, which is one noticeable common factor between github and gitlab besides the paint job
[21:21] jfw: as far as vamp, it includes tools for key management, version control, code display, and publication. it ships as part of the Eulora2 client so trying that out is a good way to get a closer look
Day changed to 2026-05-19
[19:54] matthewjablack: This seems pretty neat: https://x.com/TFTC21/status/2056774252490317976
[19:54] matthewjablack: open-source mesh VPN
Day changed to 2026-05-20
[23:12] jfw: http://jfxpt.com/2026/jwrd-logs-for-May-2026/#15728 - now the link worked, so underlying content is now archived - quite the firehose
[23:12] sourcerer: 2026-05-06 11:55:01 (#jwrd) matthewjablack: jfw actually github does not seem to be doing fine: https://www.dayswithoutgithubincident.com/
[23:28] jfw: matthewjablack, from my POV, github still hasn't fixed their self-inflicted outage of 2022, http://jfxpt.com/2022/jwrd-logs-for-Apr-2022/#3658
[23:28] sourcerer: 2022-04-03 19:30:00 (#jwrd) jfw: In unsurprising but still aggravating progress, github no longer supports git.
[23:34] jfw: http://jfxpt.com/2026/jwrd-logs-for-May-2026/#15737 - also archived. this nostr thing seems buzzing a lot lately; best I can sniff without a deep dig, it'd be another sillycon valley attempt to capture & subvert the revolution, ye good olde EEE
[23:34] sourcerer: 2026-05-19 19:54:53 (#jwrd) matthewjablack: This seems pretty neat: https://x.com/TFTC21/status/2056774252490317976
[23:42] jfw: anyone know who is this Martti Malmi anyway? for all the talk of being an important early bitcoin dev, he doesn't turn up at all by first or last name in the git history going back to aug 2009
[23:45] jfw: nor in the archived WoT.
Day changed to 2026-05-22
[10:24] SemiDios: Hello everyone!
[18:30] jfw: hello SemiDios
[19:17] dorion: http://jfxpt.com/2026/jwrd-logs-for-May-2026/#15745 -- iirc he's the 'sirius' on tardstalk. all I know of his dev work is he ported bitcoind to linux, well retarduntu.
[19:17] sourcerer: 2026-05-20 23:42:57 (#jwrd) jfw: anyone know who is this Martti Malmi anyway? for all the talk of being an important early bitcoin dev, he doesn't turn up at all by first or last name in the git history going back to aug 2009
[19:18] dorion: welcome SemiDios.
[19:21] dorion: http://jfxpt.com/2026/jwrd-logs-for-May-2026/#15743 -- myeah, let's get the monkeys to hammer nails with the electron microscope and generate a bunch of ecdsa sigs that would otherwise never come about.
[19:21] sourcerer: 2026-05-20 23:34:13 (#jwrd) jfw: http://jfxpt.com/2026/jwrd-logs-for-May-2026/#15737 - also archived. this nostr thing seems buzzing a lot lately; best I can sniff without a deep dig, it'd be another sillycon valley attempt to capture & subvert the revolution, ye good olde EEE