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	<description>The search for invariants</description>
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		<title>By: Jacob Welsh</title>
		<link>http://jfxpt.com/2020/bitcoin-transactions-and-their-signing-2-attachment/#comment-1595</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Welsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2021 17:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And re #3, there is http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2021/healing-my-old-ossasepia-log-links/ since apparently pingbacks don't work when linking to comments or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And re #3, there is <a href="http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2021/healing-my-old-ossasepia-log-links/" rel="nofollow">http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2021/healing-my-old-ossasepia-log-links/</a> since apparently pingbacks don't work when linking to comments or something.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Welsh</title>
		<link>http://jfxpt.com/2020/bitcoin-transactions-and-their-signing-2-attachment/#comment-1594</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Welsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2021 17:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it helps for tracking them down, http://ossasepia.com/available_resources/old_logs.gz can be used to look up messages/dates by ossabot line number, and http://btcbase.org/log-raw/ for assbot/a111 line number (and easy local grep is an added win).

And thanks for bringing it up in any case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it helps for tracking them down, <a href="http://ossasepia.com/available_resources/old_logs.gz" rel="nofollow">http://ossasepia.com/available_resources/old_logs.gz</a> can be used to look up messages/dates by ossabot line number, and <a href="http://btcbase.org/log-raw/" rel="nofollow">http://btcbase.org/log-raw/</a> for assbot/a111 line number (and easy local grep is an added win).</p>
<p>And thanks for bringing it up in any case.</p>
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		<title>By: Robinson Dorion</title>
		<link>http://jfxpt.com/2020/bitcoin-transactions-and-their-signing-2-attachment/#comment-1592</link>
		<dc:creator>Robinson Dorion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2021 16:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jacob Welsh, there wasn't much of a plan and I know I still have broken links. It took me a while to even track it down since even Lobbes' logger is down now too, so I just decided to save it. You're right about the low-effort irc-html conversion, sorry about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jacob Welsh, there wasn't much of a plan and I know I still have broken links. It took me a while to even track it down since even Lobbes' logger is down now too, so I just decided to save it. You're right about the low-effort irc-html conversion, sorry about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana Coman</title>
		<link>http://jfxpt.com/2020/bitcoin-transactions-and-their-signing-2-attachment/#comment-1544</link>
		<dc:creator>Diana Coman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Nov 2021 08:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it's any help, &lt;a href="http://ossasepia.com/2020/06/16/updating-your-old-log-links/" rel="nofollow"&gt;the links for #eulora and #ossasepia&lt;/a&gt; can be fixed throughout a whole mp-wp blog with a simple script to assemble and run the correct update command, see the example in footnote 2. As the archive is exhaustive, one can even make the simplest script that just creates and runs the update for each line in the archive since that will replace all links that exist without having any ill effects otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it's any help, <a href="http://ossasepia.com/2020/06/16/updating-your-old-log-links/" rel="nofollow">the links for #eulora and #ossasepia</a> can be fixed throughout a whole mp-wp blog with a simple script to assemble and run the correct update command, see the example in footnote 2. As the archive is exhaustive, one can even make the simplest script that just creates and runs the update for each line in the archive since that will replace all links that exist without having any ill effects otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Welsh</title>
		<link>http://jfxpt.com/2020/bitcoin-transactions-and-their-signing-2-attachment/#comment-1538</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Welsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Nov 2021 00:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Robinson Dorion: well yes, lots of links were broken by that rift, including on your blog. So I don't quite get it, you're going to fix them one at a time as you hit them or what's the plan here?

That's some low-effort irc-to-html formatting too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Robinson Dorion: well yes, lots of links were broken by that rift, including on your blog. So I don't quite get it, you're going to fix them one at a time as you hit them or what's the plan here?</p>
<p>That's some low-effort irc-to-html formatting too.</p>
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		<title>By: Robinson Dorion</title>
		<link>http://jfxpt.com/2020/bitcoin-transactions-and-their-signing-2-attachment/#comment-1512</link>
		<dc:creator>Robinson Dorion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2021 13:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since the logs got converted from the flask logger to the mp-wp logger and Diana deprecated the flask logger on ossasepia, that second, "potential problem" link got broken. It starts &lt;a href="http://trilema.com/2020/forum-logs-for-26-sep-2019/#2557552" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and quoted in full below.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
mircea_popescu: ie, if "selection doesn't work for me" "why not ?" "because what i want to select recurs", give some thought whether indeed "selection is broken and should be fixed". WHY do you want to select something THAT RECURS, and recurs so much it actually doesn't allow you to extend the context slightly, one character at a time, resolving your problem ?
mircea_popescu: maybe what you're trying to select isn't something you should be selecting as part of what you're trying to do because what you;re trying to do is actually broken upstream. ODDS ARE.
mircea_popescu: god put ~exactly no clues~ permitting one to bootstrap out of the ~necessary~ [http://trilema.com/2015/recursive-dunning-kruger/][d-k recursion]. god put no such clues in ~deliberately~, and god also made it necessary in the first place. because god's an asshole.
mircea_popescu: the only available support for such bootstrap is this kind of indicia, "why are my self-perceived needs conflict with my betters' designs". it could, [http://trilema.com/2017/dupa-dealuri/?b=The%20secret&#38;e=altogether#select][surely], be the case they're fucked in the head. i'm sure they often are.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless -- not all problems one can persuade himself into perceiving are actually worth solving.
mircea_popescu: there's exactly no need to "stop rape", for instance. "being special" (defined as, "never being raped") is not some kind of "universal right of womanhood". no woman's born entitled to be special, she's born to be used, like any other blade of grass on this here GREEN earth. that specialdom may arise, as a mist, RETROSPECTIVELY, is one thing. but the problem needs no "solving" -- you don't wanna take the cock, don't. see ho
mircea_popescu: w far that gets you and bother whoever cares about it.
mircea_popescu: "oh but mp, surprise sex is inconvenient" "yes, i'm sure it is"
mircea_popescu: "i thought this was uncontroversial" "yes, that's how it usually goes."
mircea_popescu: the persuasive universe is actually very much like a fungal infection of the mind : it grows nicely, i'm sure, but in so doing it misuses a fundamental other thing, that actually has a function independent of ever-growing fungal blather.
mircea_popescu: the dichotomy between the subjective life of the subject and the demands of the outside structure ~is creative~. this is specifically the mechanism through which it is creative : "i wonder why it is i want something that these idiots didn't put in". one possible outcome of a correct such evaluation is, indeed, "jesus fuck they're idiots". however, ANOTHER possible outcome is the ~EXTREMELY~ valuble bootstrap out of d-k rec
mircea_popescu: ursion.
mircea_popescu: it's valuable because it is rare, and because it is, quite pointedly, going against god's own plans with you.
mircea_popescu: if one just goes by the persuasion tradewinds, this lever's permanently stuck to position one ; and ridiculous nonsense flows downstream, superficially visible as "[http://trilema.com/2015/the-squares-and-the-holes/?b=Powerful&#38;e=badly#select][old men in power have been behaving badly]" or w/e currently fashionable cri de guerre of the retard camp.
mircea_popescu: this isn't actually the problem though ; as well documented on trilema, the effect on powerful old men an' their behaviour of the tavern wench consensus is still the nil it's ever been.
mircea_popescu: the subjective paralysis is actually the problem. participating in the tavern wench chorus as to how bad your owner is prevents you from fucking thinking, or growing the fuck up (the two being related).
mircea_popescu: and participation ~doesn't take all that much~. that's why it exists, after all, because it's easy, because it is in fact even easier than the [http://trilema.com/2014/the-gui-the-twerk-and-the-most-valuable-resource/][very little] use them powerful old men behaving badly might put a dumb wench towards.
mircea_popescu: in fact, all it really takes is this conviction that a problem once perceived's thereby an' therefore also a problem that needs solving. NOT SO.
mircea_popescu: it could be, of fucking course, there's no denying that. but there's another step in there, and not to be skipped over.
mircea_popescu: and it can not even be explained JUST HOW!!! creative that thing that's creative actually is. let's look at one example : mp is, as a factual matter, the one who needs most things not put in. mp apparently needs to walk his bitches on a leash downtown, which romania doesn't even have words for, every newspaper in the country must drop whatever it was doing, selling cheap chinesiums, to talk about mp's weird needs now, and
mircea_popescu: how it all relates to the system.
mircea_popescu: erryone's happy with a girl to worship at home, just put her into this one shrineroom and worship there now and again ; mp apparently needs multiple (what! how!) and ~somehow even manages this~, for years, decades, it's not a wish-perceived fantasy, he lives like this ?!
mircea_popescu: yet mp is also the ~least~ angry at "the system". how the fuck could this be ? is mp insane ? if everyone's so fucking pissed off over epsilon, "they gave us 9000 things but we're missing like... three. burn it all down", what the fuck's mp supposed to say, he has to have his fucking food flown in / slave made, and clothes flown in across the world and everything else.
mircea_popescu: yet strangely mp doesn't mind nearly as much as the bottom centile of the "red pill" crowd. how the fuck ?! is it because he's a jew that he doesn't suspect jews are in charge ? what the fuck's going on here ?!
mircea_popescu: ~the dichotomy is creative~. we don't have many (in the sense of : not any) alternative leverage points available. gotta use what's there.
mircea_popescu: in fact, the reason i take the time to explain how various shits work, unpopular as they may be, is because i put the time in to actually understand how they do in fact work ; and i did that not because i was bored, or because i was desperate to find something to pour some of this time into, i have like a well of time at home and it's overflowing so you gotta put some in all availavble receptacles or else it floods the hou
mircea_popescu: se, so i have 500 gallon jugs with time lying about.
mircea_popescu: no, tis outta respect. i will take the time to type something out, an old poem, whatever, for similar reasons : some things are worth it. and they get worth it through occasionally, ever so occasionally, doing you that rare and radiant wonder of a favour, where "it turns out" aka you finally deign to fucking notice you were doing something stupid.
diana_coman: this thread will be mandatory reading for #o residents
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the logs got converted from the flask logger to the mp-wp logger and Diana deprecated the flask logger on ossasepia, that second, "potential problem" link got broken. It starts <a href="http://trilema.com/2020/forum-logs-for-26-sep-2019/#2557552" rel="nofollow">here</a> and quoted in full below.</p>
<blockquote><p>
mircea_popescu: ie, if "selection doesn't work for me" "why not ?" "because what i want to select recurs", give some thought whether indeed "selection is broken and should be fixed". WHY do you want to select something THAT RECURS, and recurs so much it actually doesn't allow you to extend the context slightly, one character at a time, resolving your problem ?<br />
mircea_popescu: maybe what you're trying to select isn't something you should be selecting as part of what you're trying to do because what you;re trying to do is actually broken upstream. ODDS ARE.<br />
mircea_popescu: god put ~exactly no clues~ permitting one to bootstrap out of the ~necessary~ [http://trilema.com/2015/recursive-dunning-kruger/][d-k recursion]. god put no such clues in ~deliberately~, and god also made it necessary in the first place. because god's an asshole.<br />
mircea_popescu: the only available support for such bootstrap is this kind of indicia, "why are my self-perceived needs conflict with my betters' designs". it could, [http://trilema.com/2017/dupa-dealuri/?b=The%20secret&amp;e=altogether#select][surely], be the case they're fucked in the head. i'm sure they often are.<br />
mircea_popescu: nevertheless -- not all problems one can persuade himself into perceiving are actually worth solving.<br />
mircea_popescu: there's exactly no need to "stop rape", for instance. "being special" (defined as, "never being raped") is not some kind of "universal right of womanhood". no woman's born entitled to be special, she's born to be used, like any other blade of grass on this here GREEN earth. that specialdom may arise, as a mist, RETROSPECTIVELY, is one thing. but the problem needs no "solving" -- you don't wanna take the cock, don't. see ho<br />
mircea_popescu: w far that gets you and bother whoever cares about it.<br />
mircea_popescu: "oh but mp, surprise sex is inconvenient" "yes, i'm sure it is"<br />
mircea_popescu: "i thought this was uncontroversial" "yes, that's how it usually goes."<br />
mircea_popescu: the persuasive universe is actually very much like a fungal infection of the mind : it grows nicely, i'm sure, but in so doing it misuses a fundamental other thing, that actually has a function independent of ever-growing fungal blather.<br />
mircea_popescu: the dichotomy between the subjective life of the subject and the demands of the outside structure ~is creative~. this is specifically the mechanism through which it is creative : "i wonder why it is i want something that these idiots didn't put in". one possible outcome of a correct such evaluation is, indeed, "jesus fuck they're idiots". however, ANOTHER possible outcome is the ~EXTREMELY~ valuble bootstrap out of d-k rec<br />
mircea_popescu: ursion.<br />
mircea_popescu: it's valuable because it is rare, and because it is, quite pointedly, going against god's own plans with you.<br />
mircea_popescu: if one just goes by the persuasion tradewinds, this lever's permanently stuck to position one ; and ridiculous nonsense flows downstream, superficially visible as "[http://trilema.com/2015/the-squares-and-the-holes/?b=Powerful&amp;e=badly#select][old men in power have been behaving badly]" or w/e currently fashionable cri de guerre of the retard camp.<br />
mircea_popescu: this isn't actually the problem though ; as well documented on trilema, the effect on powerful old men an' their behaviour of the tavern wench consensus is still the nil it's ever been.<br />
mircea_popescu: the subjective paralysis is actually the problem. participating in the tavern wench chorus as to how bad your owner is prevents you from fucking thinking, or growing the fuck up (the two being related).<br />
mircea_popescu: and participation ~doesn't take all that much~. that's why it exists, after all, because it's easy, because it is in fact even easier than the [http://trilema.com/2014/the-gui-the-twerk-and-the-most-valuable-resource/][very little] use them powerful old men behaving badly might put a dumb wench towards.<br />
mircea_popescu: in fact, all it really takes is this conviction that a problem once perceived's thereby an' therefore also a problem that needs solving. NOT SO.<br />
mircea_popescu: it could be, of fucking course, there's no denying that. but there's another step in there, and not to be skipped over.<br />
mircea_popescu: and it can not even be explained JUST HOW!!! creative that thing that's creative actually is. let's look at one example : mp is, as a factual matter, the one who needs most things not put in. mp apparently needs to walk his bitches on a leash downtown, which romania doesn't even have words for, every newspaper in the country must drop whatever it was doing, selling cheap chinesiums, to talk about mp's weird needs now, and<br />
mircea_popescu: how it all relates to the system.<br />
mircea_popescu: erryone's happy with a girl to worship at home, just put her into this one shrineroom and worship there now and again ; mp apparently needs multiple (what! how!) and ~somehow even manages this~, for years, decades, it's not a wish-perceived fantasy, he lives like this ?!<br />
mircea_popescu: yet mp is also the ~least~ angry at "the system". how the fuck could this be ? is mp insane ? if everyone's so fucking pissed off over epsilon, "they gave us 9000 things but we're missing like... three. burn it all down", what the fuck's mp supposed to say, he has to have his fucking food flown in / slave made, and clothes flown in across the world and everything else.<br />
mircea_popescu: yet strangely mp doesn't mind nearly as much as the bottom centile of the "red pill" crowd. how the fuck ?! is it because he's a jew that he doesn't suspect jews are in charge ? what the fuck's going on here ?!<br />
mircea_popescu: ~the dichotomy is creative~. we don't have many (in the sense of : not any) alternative leverage points available. gotta use what's there.<br />
mircea_popescu: in fact, the reason i take the time to explain how various shits work, unpopular as they may be, is because i put the time in to actually understand how they do in fact work ; and i did that not because i was bored, or because i was desperate to find something to pour some of this time into, i have like a well of time at home and it's overflowing so you gotta put some in all availavble receptacles or else it floods the hou<br />
mircea_popescu: se, so i have 500 gallon jugs with time lying about.<br />
mircea_popescu: no, tis outta respect. i will take the time to type something out, an old poem, whatever, for similar reasons : some things are worth it. and they get worth it through occasionally, ever so occasionally, doing you that rare and radiant wonder of a favour, where "it turns out" aka you finally deign to fucking notice you were doing something stupid.<br />
diana_coman: this thread will be mandatory reading for #o residents
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