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	<title>Comments on: Uruguay parte 2: llegada y primeras vistas</title>
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		<title>By: Mircea Popescu</title>
		<link>http://jfxpt.com/2019/uruguay-parte-2-llegada-y-primeras-vistas/#comment-119</link>
		<dc:creator>Mircea Popescu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Dec 2019 10:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Motto comes from medieval italian, "legend affixed to heraldic piece", ultimately from late latin, ~"grunt". I suppose it translates the late medieval failure of heraldics as such -- if the icon needs the explanation then who needs the icon.

It's known today because mid-1800s the mountebanks/street sellers came up with this bit of confectionery wrapped in fancy printed paper with a little scrap of poetry included, the perfect interested gift for the various &lt;a href="http://trilema.com/2017/zuleika-dobson-or-an-proper-love-story/?b=an%20orphan&#38;e=necessity#select" rel="nofollow"&gt;pompous wenchlets&lt;/a&gt; all about London. You'd trade a twopence for a kiss through that token, lest someone &lt;em&gt;could accuse them&lt;/em&gt; of selling out. Unsurprisingly, it was called a motto-kiss, and so motto entered the otherwise rather limited vocabulary of the &lt;a href="http://trilema.com/2018/the-common-psychosis/" rel="nofollow"&gt;psychotic&lt;/a&gt; young man, the unemployable young "gents" with grocery debts and "hopes of social mobility" roundly resting on public expenditure.

Whole thing's pretty illustrative of the coy contortions, and their impact on deplorable society, really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Motto comes from medieval italian, "legend affixed to heraldic piece", ultimately from late latin, ~"grunt". I suppose it translates the late medieval failure of heraldics as such -- if the icon needs the explanation then who needs the icon.</p>
<p>It's known today because mid-1800s the mountebanks/street sellers came up with this bit of confectionery wrapped in fancy printed paper with a little scrap of poetry included, the perfect interested gift for the various <a href="http://trilema.com/2017/zuleika-dobson-or-an-proper-love-story/?b=an%20orphan&amp;e=necessity#select" rel="nofollow">pompous wenchlets</a> all about London. You'd trade a twopence for a kiss through that token, lest someone <em>could accuse them</em> of selling out. Unsurprisingly, it was called a motto-kiss, and so motto entered the otherwise rather limited vocabulary of the <a href="http://trilema.com/2018/the-common-psychosis/" rel="nofollow">psychotic</a> young man, the unemployable young "gents" with grocery debts and "hopes of social mobility" roundly resting on public expenditure.</p>
<p>Whole thing's pretty illustrative of the coy contortions, and their impact on deplorable society, really.</p>
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		<title>By: BingoBoingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>BingoBoingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2019 21:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Diana Coman - Normally they only decorate the front of the building, but the tiles are almost always ceramic. On very new contruction there's some building with the "trendy" wood look print pattern ceramic tiles.

Many building are painted too for however long that lasts. Others go bare concrete. Usually only the facades of buildings get any maintenance attention. The sides are either bare concrete or paint that the weather will fade to bare concrete over time.

It is not unknown for chunks of building to fall. It is sufficiently uncommon enough to make the news when there are casualties, but otherwise... The city has a lot of Art Deco ruins occupied despite their rightful status as ruins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Diana Coman - Normally they only decorate the front of the building, but the tiles are almost always ceramic. On very new contruction there's some building with the "trendy" wood look print pattern ceramic tiles.</p>
<p>Many building are painted too for however long that lasts. Others go bare concrete. Usually only the facades of buildings get any maintenance attention. The sides are either bare concrete or paint that the weather will fade to bare concrete over time.</p>
<p>It is not unknown for chunks of building to fall. It is sufficiently uncommon enough to make the news when there are casualties, but otherwise... The city has a lot of Art Deco ruins occupied despite their rightful status as ruins.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Welsh</title>
		<link>http://jfxpt.com/2019/uruguay-parte-2-llegada-y-primeras-vistas/#comment-111</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Welsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2019 18:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Diana Coman:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Now I wonder - how do you make the difference between street signs (advertisement!) and police car (motto!)?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Come to think of it I wasn't certain. Merriam-Webster says of "motto":

&lt;blockquote&gt;1 : a sentence, phrase, or word inscribed on something as appropriate to or indicative of its character or use

2 : a short expression of a guiding principle&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Whether "for life and coexistence" qualifies as appropriate, indicative or guiding for police, I could indeed see it in the same category as "your best plan" for a cell provider.

&lt;blockquote&gt;why tense/compressed in the first place, I half-wonder.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The question of whether my bags made it was part of it (not that I was fretting about that the whole flight or anything, but the moment of truth was at the end). But I also find flying stressful generally - not the flying itself so much as the logistics and restrictive environment.

Glad you liked the photos.

@BingoBoingo: thanks for filling that in!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Diana Coman:</p>
<blockquote><p>Now I wonder - how do you make the difference between street signs (advertisement!) and police car (motto!)?</p></blockquote>
<p>Come to think of it I wasn't certain. Merriam-Webster says of "motto":</p>
<blockquote><p>1 : a sentence, phrase, or word inscribed on something as appropriate to or indicative of its character or use</p>
<p>2 : a short expression of a guiding principle</p></blockquote>
<p>Whether "for life and coexistence" qualifies as appropriate, indicative or guiding for police, I could indeed see it in the same category as "your best plan" for a cell provider.</p>
<blockquote><p>why tense/compressed in the first place, I half-wonder.</p></blockquote>
<p>The question of whether my bags made it was part of it (not that I was fretting about that the whole flight or anything, but the moment of truth was at the end). But I also find flying stressful generally - not the flying itself so much as the logistics and restrictive environment.</p>
<p>Glad you liked the photos.</p>
<p>@BingoBoingo: thanks for filling that in!</p>
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		<title>By: Diana Coman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana Coman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2019 18:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hadn't realised they were teeny tiles, you're right of course. Are those ceramic tiles or local stone or what exactly anyway? And now I wonder if they manually set there all those tiles for a whole building (a whole town too?)

What a weird thing to have a tax on painting/maintenance though - in saner places there is usually a *rebate* on such things since well, do they want balconies/buildings to fall on the pavement or what? 

Anyways, the things I learn from a picture!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hadn't realised they were teeny tiles, you're right of course. Are those ceramic tiles or local stone or what exactly anyway? And now I wonder if they manually set there all those tiles for a whole building (a whole town too?)</p>
<p>What a weird thing to have a tax on painting/maintenance though - in saner places there is usually a *rebate* on such things since well, do they want balconies/buildings to fall on the pavement or what? </p>
<p>Anyways, the things I learn from a picture!</p>
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		<title>By: Uruguay parte 3: encontrar, destruir y proteger &#171; Fixpoint</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uruguay parte 3: encontrar, destruir y proteger &#171; Fixpoint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2019 17:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Continued from Parte 2. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: BingoBoingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>BingoBoingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2019 17:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well on that building the white isn't paint. If you zoom in you can see it is tiles, some of which have fallen. It doesn't actually freeze so exterior tile is somewhat of a big thing here. Especially as a way to avoid paying the painting tax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well on that building the white isn't paint. If you zoom in you can see it is tiles, some of which have fallen. It doesn't actually freeze so exterior tile is somewhat of a big thing here. Especially as a way to avoid paying the painting tax.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana Coman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana Coman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2019 17:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BingoBoingo Huh, I had no idea, thanks for the detailed info! (Though yeah, I had a suspicion it was *not* really about the paint :D )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BingoBoingo Huh, I had no idea, thanks for the detailed info! (Though yeah, I had a suspicion it was *not* really about the paint :D )</p>
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		<title>By: BingoBoingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>BingoBoingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2019 16:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The mystery street is Avenida Brasil rather than Boulevard España. The big giveaway is in the large Art Deco building covered in black mold. It gets featured in architectural tours and overview of Montevideo as an "Art Deco City" which as mentioned seems to largely be a consequence of loosing their desire to build big things sometime around 1930-1940.

@Diana Coman - The "Proud to be White" thing is a political slogan. It's how the locals that don't do the socialism identify themselves as apart from the old Red socialist party and the new Red socialist coalition. The closest similar thing in the English language space is probably "Redneck Pride" or more loosely the "Don't tread on Me" Gasden flag. One variant of the Blanco party flag features the face of Juan Antonio Lavalleja topped with a Sombrero de Vaquero. After the Red General Rivera won a presidential election (Uruguay's population in that time ~60,000 persons) Lavalleja did the open rebellion thing until he was integrated into a triumverate. He died shortly there after. The wikipedo bio of Lavalleja neglects that during this time Uruguay had seperate capitals of Montevideo (limited to the present old city) and Cerrito de la Victory a short walk away which controlled the rest of Uruguay.

But somehow elections matter or something. Dumas has a very Pantsuit hearsay based agiprop piece on the dispute, thus popular histories misrepresent the hungry derps holed up by the bay as having been "The Government of Uruguay" while the rest of the country lead by men controlling the national wealth didn't particularly need them at all. Then the Empire of Brasil intervened in favor of the port crowd and against the landed whereafter everything started going to shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mystery street is Avenida Brasil rather than Boulevard España. The big giveaway is in the large Art Deco building covered in black mold. It gets featured in architectural tours and overview of Montevideo as an "Art Deco City" which as mentioned seems to largely be a consequence of loosing their desire to build big things sometime around 1930-1940.</p>
<p>@Diana Coman - The "Proud to be White" thing is a political slogan. It's how the locals that don't do the socialism identify themselves as apart from the old Red socialist party and the new Red socialist coalition. The closest similar thing in the English language space is probably "Redneck Pride" or more loosely the "Don't tread on Me" Gasden flag. One variant of the Blanco party flag features the face of Juan Antonio Lavalleja topped with a Sombrero de Vaquero. After the Red General Rivera won a presidential election (Uruguay's population in that time ~60,000 persons) Lavalleja did the open rebellion thing until he was integrated into a triumverate. He died shortly there after. The wikipedo bio of Lavalleja neglects that during this time Uruguay had seperate capitals of Montevideo (limited to the present old city) and Cerrito de la Victory a short walk away which controlled the rest of Uruguay.</p>
<p>But somehow elections matter or something. Dumas has a very Pantsuit hearsay based agiprop piece on the dispute, thus popular histories misrepresent the hungry derps holed up by the bay as having been "The Government of Uruguay" while the rest of the country lead by men controlling the national wealth didn't particularly need them at all. Then the Empire of Brasil intervened in favor of the port crowd and against the landed whereafter everything started going to shit.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana Coman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana Coman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Dec 2019 20:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I wonder - how do you make the difference between street signs (advertisement!) and police car (motto!)?

"Orgullosamente blanco" - from the picture it might even refer to the building itself - certainly whiter than its neighbour!

"I found myself tired but alert and relieved." - why tense/compressed in the first place, I half-wonder.

Thank you for the photos!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I wonder - how do you make the difference between street signs (advertisement!) and police car (motto!)?</p>
<p>"Orgullosamente blanco" - from the picture it might even refer to the building itself - certainly whiter than its neighbour!</p>
<p>"I found myself tired but alert and relieved." - why tense/compressed in the first place, I half-wonder.</p>
<p>Thank you for the photos!</p>
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